The world is facing massive, simultaneous and interconnected crises: climate change, growing economic inequality, disinformation, and more.

In a new interview between Future of Good CEO and Publisher Vinod Rajasekaran and Indy Johar, founding director of Dark Matter Labs, an organization focused on building a new civic economy, the two thinkers talk about the roots of these crises — and how to uproot them.

The conversation focuses on centring care and reciprocity through some of the biggest transitions of our time: toward renewable energy, rebuilding trust in democratic institutions, tackling the affordability crisis, and more.